No middle-aged maiden - did you talk about that?EISENBERG: John, this former Baltimore anchorwoman said that she was demoted for being too emotional. The market is not great – only a handful of magazines buy gags, and competitions – especially for a spot in the New Yorker – is fierce. I'm no stranger to Emily Flake, but this was my husband's first introduction to her work.

My illustration work has been in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Globe and Mail, Newsweek, and lots and lots of other places.

She said, they didn't want to pay out my contract, so they just kept me on and said, we'll put you on this talk show just to run out your contract.FLAKE: This is my daughter Augustine, also known as Tug. I always knew what the lesson was, why the lesson was, and strategies of how I could go about completing the assignment that would then reinforce that lesson. It just would.COULTON: So typical of the French to have a French pronunciation of their French names.EISENBERG: That guy would hate cubism. It's very Hollywood. I would highly recommend Emily's class!” And perhaps the most important thing of all – the production of gag cartoons requires a ruthless eye, and a willingness to let go of preciousness about your own work.

Man, you missed maybe the best question we've done in this whole game.EISENBERG: Did you talk about the maidens? Among the many things that were totally and completely new to me were the idea of starting with a character, an emotion and a place to generate ideas, and the way you design a composition, guiding the eye so that it delivers the punchline effectively.

I'm Emily.

JONATHAN COULTON: (Playing guitar). It is my hope that the practices and techniques introduced in this course will prove valuable not just for gags, but in all other aspects of your creative life. I think some guidance and hand-holding when it comes to these techniques may help some course participants. We were doing the "Moby Dick" question.EISENBERG: Yeah.

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"COULTON: That is correct.

Does it have to be a whale?

(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC) Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.Copyright 2020 NPR. Emily is a great teacher--which goes beyond her being a wonderful cartoonist which she most certainly is. Really, this was a tremendous course and I learned so much! No, nothing.

I feel not only better about that now (though I still need to work on this!)

I always knew what the lesson was, why the lesson was, and strategies of how I could go about completing the assignment that would t...”“Emily Flake's class was wonderful!
I'm going to talk to your mommy for a second, OK?EISENBERG: OK, here you go. Let’s get started!Soon! As for feedback on how to improve this course: I think this is more than enough material for two courses actually, twelve weeks or so maybe. Now here's your host, Ophira Eisenberg.EISENBERG: This week we're calling our friends to play some games, and right now we're here with New Yorker cartoonist Emily Flake and her husband John Pastore. A Husband And Wife At A Funeral Comfort by Emily Flake Publication: New YorkerImage Type: CartoonDate: August 13th, 2012Caption: Pop-Pop's in the Cloud now, sweetheart. I was challenged, certainly, by the volume of work at times, but I think that was more on me and my propensity to be too precious about things- which, of course the class helped me with as well.

Did you talk about the maidens?COULTON: We talked about the maidens, and, like, we made some Hollywood jokes. Watch this space, or sign up for the free trial to not miss out. Among the many things that were totally and completely new to me were the idea of starting with a character, an emotion an...”“I had a ton of fun on this course, and I learned a lot, and I am really, really happy with the cartoons that came out of it! I love that idea. Tuesday’s guest – cartoonist and author Emily Flake – and I had a great conversation (although, full of swears and subject matter totally inappropriate for work or children – please take note about modern parenting, but even with nearly an hour to talk we didn’t cover everything I wanted to cover.. Can't hear you, Ophira.COULTON: When did you cut out, Ophira? I'm a cartoonist and illustrator.



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